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inscription: "15 de Setiembre"
by Zeljko Heimer, 19 October 2001
inscription: "15 de Septiembre"
by Zeljko Heimer, 21 October 2001
The Flag Bulletin #184 says that on 26 December 1997
the spelling on the arms was altered from SETIEMBRE to SEPTIEMBRE.
Nozomi Kariyasu, 14 March 1999
According to my sources, the branches (coffee?) surrounding
the arms should bear four red berries each.
Ivan Sache, 4 April 1999
My sources show no berries. Can someone else confirm Ivan's
info? And tell me where these berries would be placed if it gets
Jorge Candeias, 5 April 1999
I can at least give my sources: Album des Pavillons, DK
Pocket Book, Pedersen
and Smith all show these berries. And I just discovered
there were not four, but five berries per branch. It's rather
difficult to describe their location, this would need a detailed
botanical description of a coffee branch. One berry is located at
the lowest node. For the other, let us count the
"voids" (only the big ones) between successive leaves,
beginning at the top of the branch; first berry fits in
"void" number 3, second berry in "void"
number 5, third berry in "void" number 6, and fourth
berry in "void" number 13.
Ivan Sache, 5 April 1999
I can't confirm or deny Ivan's info, however, in Pedersen,
1971 English edition, there do appear to be beans at the base of
the major leaf groups, but in mixed numbers, usually pairs. The
bird is like a parrot (Pedersen describes it as "a
quetzal, the 'bird of freedom', derived from a local Indian
legend") with the head turned back over its left
Michael Smuda, 5 April 1999
That's very different from all other Guatemalan emblems I've
seen so far, that look just like my image. I suspect that either
it is a wrong depiction (the "parrot" makes me wonder -
see below) or an early version. The quetzal is a real bird that
lives in the forests of Central America. It was considered sacred
by the pre-colombian civilizations, and the priest that
"incarnated" the god Quetzalcoatl wore it's
feathers. The depictions of the bird in the Guatemalan symbol
I've seen so far show the real bird in the position I depicted
it. Anyone knows of changes or standartization of the Guatemalan
symbol since 1971?
Jorge Candeias, 6 April 1999
The image sent by Michael is pretty much like the one shown by
Kannik. He says it is from 1871,
and based on the emblem (he says arms) from 1843. He has no blue
oval and no background colour, though. According to Pedersen, 1979, the emblem was
changed at 9 September 1968 to the one sent by Jorge. Pedersen
has a light blue background in the emblem, (symbolizing fantasy),
but not when it is in the flag. Pedersen mentions 18 November
1871 for the older emblem. Pedersen shows many berries, by the
way. I counted 14 on each branch. He also has a light yellow tone
in the scroll.
Ole Andersen, 8 April 1999
All Guatemala's CoA's on the web, got no berries at all. All
the official sites uses the same image. Example is at: http://www.concyt.gob.gt/edicion/logos/escudo.gif
Unofficial sites uses a better COA. Example at: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/6886/escudo.gif
The best one (see here) and info in spanish are at: http://www.mdngt.org/agremilusa/symbols.html#EL ESCUDO
Dov Gutterman, 9 April 1999
Ole reported already 14 berries per branch, and from Pederson
and FTAAATW I can confirm that (about 14, the images are very dim
and the berries very small). The position of the berries are
mostly against the branch, not on it, as you giffed them. They
are at irregular intervals, a bit winding around the branch. The
background of the CoA is definitely lightblue. BTW the branches
are laurel-branches. Laurels have black or darkblue berries
naturally, but the Guatemaltec brand is red.
Jarig Bakker, 9 April 1999
Kannik ('56) has no background for the emblem, but he has 22
berries (of which two lack colour - certainly an error).
Pedersen ('79) has the emblem on a light blue circular background. He has 28 berries.
The DK book ('98) has no background, and 10 berries. The background is omitted in the flag
Ole Andersen, 12 April 1999
It looks like the presence or absence of these berries and
their number if present is not regulated, varying from rendition
to rendition.All the newer renditions of the CoA that I've seen
show no berries at all. See also http://www.quetzalnet.com/bandera.html.
Jorge Candeias, 22 May 1999
The Guatemala Coat of Arms has no berries, thats because these
are not coffee branches, in fact they never were. The branches
are from the Laurel Tree, I dont know it is called in english,
but the scientific name is: Cordia aliodora. The meaning of these
branches is related with the greeks, because in that time the
best warrior was recognized in public by wearing a laurel barnch
crown. So the laurel branch are a symbol of recognition foráthe
courage and bravery of the guatemalan people.
Alberto Solano Roca , 10 May 2000
Earlier this year I had to redraw my image of the Guatemalan
arms, which you can see at http://www.flags.net/GUAT.htm
If you look very closely at the details of the arms you will see
that there are small red berries on the branches. This image was
created from the official rendition of the arms as supplied to me
by Alfred Znamierowski.
Graham Bartram, 10 May 2000
The inscription was changed several years ago from "15 de
Setiembre" to "15 de Septiembre".
Marcus Schm÷ger, 20 October 2001
Zeljko Heimer asked if a blue disc on the background
is part of the CoA. IIRC, we had come to the conclusion, based on
some official websites, that the blue disc is indeed an integral
part of the coat-of-arms, even if it appears on it's own quite
Jorge Candeias, 21 October 2001