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Recently I received an inquiry with attached images from a guy
in the UK who'd inherited some old flags from his late
grandfather, a WW II veteran of the Italian campaign. His
question concerned four items:
(1) An Italian Naval Ensign (with crowned shield) about 15 inches square, with yellow fringe. On the hoist end are three cloth loops to fit over a staff.
(2) An Italian Naval Jack (bannner of arms of Savoy)--otherwise, same size and discription as (1).
(3) Two pennants. One is striped green-white-red with the crowned shield (crown toward the hoist) on the white stripe. The other is blue, inscribed with what looks like "2 squadriglia motosiluranti."
My guess is that the above items were used by a motor torpedo boat squadron of the Royal Italian Navy--ensign, jack, commissioning pennant and squadron pennant. The guy said that his grandfather obtained them at Taranto, which was one of the Italian Navy's major wartime bases
Tom Gregg , 5 Febuary 2000
I find these two links to the "Sacrario delle Bandiere al
<www.marina.difesa.it/storia/musei/musei001.htm> and <www.marina.difesa.it/storia/musei/musei002.htm> with some nice images of historical ensigns, such as: <museo007G.jpg> and <museo009g.jpg>. It is noteworthy that some ensigns dating from the late Kingdom of Italy era, such as this one from submarine "Ettore Fieramosca" 1929-1941: <museo034g.jpg> use an unspecific royal crown, rather than the Italian one.
Santiago Dotor, 27 June 2003
by Zeljko Heimer, 17 September 1996
The national flag/civil ensign had the Savoy arms, uncrowned,
while the naval ensign (Bandiera da Guerra) had crowned arms.
James L. Woods and Tom Gregg ,15 January 1998
Here is a source about
the Royal Ensign and if you want included measurments. it is from
Annuario 1972 dell'Enciclopedia dei Ragazzi Ed.Arnoldo
Mondadori Editore. The naval pennant is there also .
Bozeni Manuel, 18 October 2000
At "Nouveau Petit Larousse Illustre" (1926), the
Italian flag appears to be with the shield of red with a white
cross, a blue border around them, and above the shield a golden
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 29 October 2000
It is similar to the present ensign but with the shield and
crown of Savoy in the centre. A white rectangular cross, on
a blue bordered, red shield. This was below a red and
David Prothero, 26 December 2001
There are some mistakes in Zeljko Heimer's image .
The naval flag has a green that is too light, and the shape of
the crown is wrong. The Italian royal crown had its shape, you
can see Here.
Guido Abate, 6 December 2002
by Jorge Candeias , 29 October 1999
Another episode on the "Old flag plate" series. This
italian flag is only interesting due to the CoA. It's probably a
simplification of the CoA in actual use, since it lacks the blue
border. it has, however a curious shape and I wander if this
shape could reflect real flags. Finally the crown: it's
practically not worth mentionning, because it seems to be simply
outlined in the original.
Jorge Candeias , 29 October 1999
by Zeljko Heimer ,17 September1996
By Phil Nelson and Zeljko Heimer, 3 January 2000
Pilot flag from the National Geographic 1917 depictions (NGM)
and the Webster's New International Dictionary (WNID), circa 1924
plates. The difference: the NGM image shows the arm of the
cross slightly higher than in WNID.
Phil Nelson , 3 January 2000
The pilot flag is wrong: it was simply a reduced state flag
with a white border. When I say "reduced" I mean that
the flag had the same proportions (same shield, crown, etc.), but
it was smaller.
Guido Abate, 6 December 2002
I have an Italian flag with the Arms of Savoy on the middle
white stripe. It has a yellow crown over the Arms with a red
anchor and red accent devices on each side of the anchor.
Could you tell me the years this was in use and by what special
branch of government if any? Any other detail you can give
me on the flag would be appriciated.
Truman Pope (Secretary NAVA), 5 September 2000