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I think [the use of flags in churches] depends on what the people of the particular country understand the flag to represent. I suggest a kind of typology of flag behavior having to do with what may be expressed by displaying the flag of a country or subnational division. In some cases the same flag display may express more than one of these messages:
It seems to me that whether displaying a national flag in a church is offensive or not depends in large part on how the people of the country concerned interpret the messages expressed by flag display. If flying the national flag in country X is commonly accepted as an expression of messages 4, 5, and 6 (or maybe 2), then it would not be seen as offensive to have it displayed in a church. If, on the other hand, people commonly understand the flag to convey only messages 1 and 3, then clearly putting it inside a church would be inappropriate, especially but not necessarily exclusively where there is no established church.
This issue would seem tied to that of whether the flag is viewed by the people of the country as the common property of the populace or the particular property of the government. In the United States, I believe flags displayed in churches are generally understood as expressions of messages 4 and 5 and sometimes 6. Those who oppose the practice generally don't argue that the presence of the flag implies government control of the church but rather that it is inappropriate for a church as an institution to be expressing allegiance (message 4) or even affection (message 5) to any earthly power. The counterargument is that the church *is* its members, and those members do owe allegiance and feel affection to both the nation symbolized by the flag as well as to the religious body.
(In a military chapel in any country, as in the Church of St. Louis at the Invalides in Paris, and at churches in England where military colours are laid up, the display of the flag obviously has yet another connotation, which may be found inspiring or offensive depending on one's preferences.) Speaking of which (sorry this is so long), I'm trying to recall whether a Portuguese flag is displayed in the side chapel of the Batalha abbey where the Portuguese unknown soldiers are entombed. Not that doing so would suggest an exception to Jorge's and others' observations on general Portuguese practice, just a point of curiosity.
Joe McMillan, 25 June 2003
This system is flawed around here [in Portugal] because there is a subtle distinction between formal usage and informal usage. In Portugal there are cases of all the 6 types, and the distinction between two of them is often very subtle. In general, flying the national flag from flag poles or in a staff indoors is considered formal flag display, and implies that who is flying the flag is some sort of state-owned or nationally-relevant institution, particularly involved in the political or administrative life of the country. There are exceptions, and in large numbers: commercial institutions, particularly hotels and such, that fly the flag together with many (or not that many) other flags as a way to show that that is a Portuguese company, despite its international ambience, or that "although we speak other languages, we prefer speaking Portuguese here". The other exception happens when private individuals fly the national flag formally. This is usually a display of ultra-right conservatism and/or militarism, and these guys are always nostalgics of the Salazar regime.
Churches, however, are included in none of these situations. This isn't to say that national flags are absent from every single Portuguese church - some, closer to the power or to the military, might display the flag, but in common churches formal display does not happen, because they are not (or shouldn't be) involved in politics or administration. Displaying the flag informally, on the other hand, is an accepted and relatively common means to show support for the nation and its "heroes". This includes wrapping oneself in the flag, waving it with bare hands or attached to a staff, sometimes hanging it from walls or balconies (especially in sports events), etc. When I was in the university, I shared an apartment with some colleagues and one of them had a flag hanging from the wall in his bedroom. And that is considered natural.
So, to wrap things up, the flag is the same, the way it is displayed makes all the difference.
Jorge Candeias, 25 June 2003
Below are comments contributed by FOTW list members from around the world about the use of flags in their areas.
Things in Australia vary greatly depending on denomination. The Catholic
Churches generally do not display flags, while the Anglican Church continues the
Church of England tradition in displaying 'laid up' military colours and
sometimes national flags. Evangelical churches tend to display the national flag
more, not less: it often connotes allegiance to Australia, which they say is a
'Christian nation/monarchy'. (Our Constitution says otherwise.) On one Australia
Day, I went to a Baptist Church, where it displayed a large Australian National
Flag /above/ the pulpit (connoting the 'sacredness' of the flag?). It was at
first with the Union Jack at our left, but the guys there thought it was
incorrectly displayed, so they turned it over so the Union Jack was at our right
during the actual service. (It is correctly displayed when the Union Jack is at
our left-hand side.) The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints
(the Mormons) flies a national flag in front of its Sydney Temple (reason 4 in a
temporal sense). Greek Orthodox Churches also like to fly the Australian
National Flag (reason 4), along with the Greek flag (reason 5) and the Church
flag (black double-headed eagle on yellow). The Salvation Army occasionally
flies the national flag alongside the Army flag, but usually not. Among the
non-Christian religions, only the largest Buddhist temples fly the national flag
(reason 4 in a temporal sense) alongside the Buddhist flag. Whatever the
religion, the Australian National Flag is always flown at our far left (the
flag-bearer's far right) among other flags.
Miles Li, 25 June 2003, 4 July 2003
On http://www.visitbelgium.com/bxlwkend.htm, you see the church
of St James on the Coudenberg, Brussels (last picture). Serving not only as the royal chapel but also as the principal church for the Belgian Army diocese, head of which is the present archbishop of Mechlin-Brussels. Some fine royal hatchments in this late 18C, classicist building are
admittedly not flag related but there is a Belgian national flag to the altar's own left (so at your right
if approach the altar) which is a rare sight in our country I believe... but understandable given this church's primary functions.
There is also a charming little gonfalon, red with various symbols of St James such as shells, cross and even two 'Moorish' flags with crescent! As to the statue in front of the church, it depicts Godfrey of Bouillon leading his troops in the First Crusade... but
as far as I know the flag he brandishes is quite plain (see
Jan Mertens, 27 June 2003
I have never seen one flying a church in Quebec. I think you are right in
saying that it is mostly a US phenomenon.
Marc Pasquin, 18 January 2002
I asked on the Canadian ministers' list if any recalled ever seeing a
Canadian flag in a Canadian Unitarian sanctuary. Five have so far reported never
having seen one. One remarked that they are rare in the sanctuaries of any
Canadian denomination, although some Anglican churches have regimental flags
(but not in the chancel).
J. McRee (Mac) Elrod, 6 February 2003
My experience in some other denominations are that flags are quite common in
Canadian churches - I have been in Presbyterian, United and Baptist churches
with flags up front somewhere - either on the chancel, by the side of it, or
mounted from the wall near it. Usually it is the national flag and the
provincial flag you see, although in Baptist churches it is sometimes the
Christian flag and the national flag. My travels around churches has not been
extensive, but my impression is that it is more common to have a flag in a
church than not - especially in churches with older congregations. They are
purely a symbol expressing loyalty by the congregation in general to the
nation. The flags are never moved or removed - they become part of the general
decoration scheme of the church. In fact they are rarely mentioned or alluded
to, except perhaps on Remembrance Day (11 November).
Rob Raeside, 6 February 2003
The situation in France is similar to that in Germany, and probably for the very same reason. Traditionally, flags deposed in churches were mostly war trophies. Francois Henri de Montmorency-Boutheville, Duke of Luxembourg (1628-1695) and Marshal of France, was nicknamed "le Tapissier de Notre-Dame". He won the battle of Neerwinden (29 July 1693) over William of Orange, and captured so many flags that he could make a "tapestry" with them inside the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris. Several flag trophies of the colonial period are still displayed in the St. Louis-des-Invalides' church.
In 1905, the radical politician Emile Combes (1835-1921) expelled the religious congregations from France and proposed the law on separation of church and state, which was passed in 1905 and is still in force. Note that the church and state are not separated in Alsace-Moselle, which were under German rule, so that in Alsace "religious bodies are supported by state funds".
Parochial banners are of course often displayed in churches, but indeed less
and less frequently due to theft.
Ivan Sache, 25 June 2003
Just a side note, the most overwhelming display of nationalism I've ever seen
in a church can be found in the Eglise St. Louis, the French Army's church, at
the Invalides in Paris. There are more tricolores than I could count flanking
the altar and festooned on and around the reredos.
Joe McMillan, 18 January 2002
Church Saint-Louis-des-Invalides is the heart of French military nationalism,
so such a display of flags is not surprising. Napoleon and most Marshalls of
France are buried in huge tombs in the crypt of the church. You probably also
noticed all the non-Tricolore flags hanging from the top of the church. It was a
tradition in France (and probably elsewhere) to place the flags captured from
the enemy in a church. Francois-Henri de Montmorency-Boutheville, Duke of
Luxembourg and Marshall of France (1628-1695) was nicknamed "le Tapissier de
Notre-Dame" (Notre Dame's interior decorator) after the battle of Neerwinden
(1693), because he captured a lot of flags and brought them in
Ivan Sache, 18 January 2002
In Germany, we do not have our flag in church. Maybe because of the split of
church and state ("Säkularisation").
Patrick Fischer, 24 June 2003
In Venice (and many other Italian cities) they don't. A vexillologist might
dislike that, for there are *really* *lots* of churches in Venice... it would be
a sight. They don't fly the national flag either. The only places flying flags
here that I can remember of right now, are the municipal buildings, a few
schools, and most consulates.
Manuel Giorgini, 18 January 2002
In Vlaggen: Symbool . traditie . protocol
Sierksma (1963) apparently tries to present international flag custom, with
special note for Dutch custom. At one point he writes: "For the placement of
flags in churches (common especially in America and the United Kingdom) or in
auditoria to decorate the rostrum or podium, flagstaffs of an expensive kind of
wood, with a lance-shaped crowning should be used." In a chapter on flag study
he writes: "Really surprised one can be sometimes in Germany and France, but
especially in England and Scotland, when one, when entering a church or
cathedral, sees countless old, often completely deteriorated flags hanging on
lances from the ceiling." Both examples are clear indications that flags in
churches are not common in The Netherlands. However, some national churches do
fly a flag from a flag pole, in the same way other organisations do.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 26 June 2003
Flag use in Northern Irish churches has been highly controversial. For
example (as reported in the Belfast Telegraph), Orangeman attending the annual
Sunday service prior to the Twelfth of July in a mid-Ulster church will be
allowed to bring their flags into the premises this year. The decision to allow
flags back into Saltersland Presbyterian Church follows an incident last year in
which the minister officiating at the traditional service refused to allow the
Union flag into the church. Orangemen attending the service were told they could
participate in it but that their flags had to remain outside. A church committee
has met regularly since last summer with the parties concerned in a bid to quell
any further ill-feeling and misunderstanding between them. Finally, after almost
a year of discourse, it has been agreed that during future services the Union
flag will be permitted into the church during the religious ceremony.
Phil Nelson, 25 June 2003
I was really surprised, when I saw the national flags of Peru and Bolivia in
churches, when I visited these countries. They were next to the flag of the
Vatican, if the pope had visited this church one time.
Patrick Fischer, 24 June 2003
The only place I've seen the national flag and the flag of the Holy See in a
church was in the USA. And in Episcopalian churches over here, which are mainly
attended by Americans, I suppose they follow the same habit. Interestingly
enough, we also have the same habit of playing the national anthem before games,
and so on, but more extreme - the last showing of every movie begins with the
playing of the national anthem, apparently a copy of the American practice
during World War II to boost patriotism, but which even the Americans have done
away with but which we still do.
Manuel L. Quezon III, 18 January 2002
Flags aren't seen inside churches in Portugal. It seems to me that it
would bring a state endorsement to whatever activities are taking place inside
the church. Separation between state and church means no religious icons in
public buildings (except perhaps valuable samples of sacred art, which is
inescapable, since that was practically all the art for a long, long time) and
no state symbols inside churches. I'm sure I would be shocked if I saw the
national flag next to a statue of the Virgin or of Jesus in the cross, and I'm
sure most Catholics would be too, even if for different reasons.
Jorge Candeias, 25 June 2003
In Portugal I guess the religious bodies are not directly supported by state
funds, but at least the state favours the Catholic Church. The simple fact of
broadcasting of religious events by the state television is a way to favour the
Catholic Church. (Those broadcastings, by the way, are not simple news reports,
they are hours-long live broadcastings). Just another example: here where I live
the municipal administration supports the religious festivals like St Peter's
Day and others. All of that, in just those two examples, is done with our taxes
money. In my opinion that goes against our constitutional separation of Church
Francisco Santos, 25 June 2003
In general (there are exceptions), flying the national flag from flag poles
or in a staff indoors is considered formal flag display, and implies that who is
flying the flag is some sort of state-owned or nationally-relevant institution,
particularly involved in the political or administrative life of the country.
One exception happens when private individuals fly the national flag formally.
This is usually a display of ultra-right conservatism and/or militarism, and
these guys are always nostalgics of the Salazar regime. Churches, however, are
included in none of these situations. This isn't to say that national flags are
absent from every single Portuguese church - some, closer to the power or to the
military, might display the flag.
Jorge Candeias, 25 June 2003
I don't agree. The exceptions are in large numbers; they are the
"norm", not the "exceptions". It's true that Salazar's nostalgics do it. But
also the anti-Salazarists fly the national flag formally. Why not? The national
flag belong to *all* of us. I'm not religious, I'm not Salazarist, but I think
that those who are they have the same right as me to fly the *national* flag.
Francisco Santos, 25 June 2003
You might be interested to know that I saw an interesting use for the Saint
Andrew's Cross (the Russian Naval Flag) - various churches in Russia, and one
here in Philadelphia - St Andrew's - are affiliated with the Navy, and have, as
the curtain dividing the sanctuary from the altar, a Saint Andrew's Cross Flag
of White with a blue saltire. This was apparently a custom in pre-revolutionary
Russia in military chapels (I saw photos of a similar flag situation where an
orange and black military flag was used.). Now that the communists are gone from
power, things are returning. The old tricolor Russian flag we had in the back of
the church from when I was a child was only used for productions of the play
"Anastasia" and now it's up on flagpoles again, and not as a protest... Anyway,
the Philadelphia shipyards constructed two Russian ships, and the sailors built
and attended services at St Andrews until the ships were ready to sail, 105
years ago. The shipyards are gone now. Saint Andrew's has a little museum - with
the Russian colored Jack (inverse Union Jack - Red with a St George's Cross, and
a superimposed white saltire with the blue saltire on it for St Andrew), a
Russian-America Company flag, a simple Russian Tricolor, and of course, a St
Fr John Udics, 5 January 2003
In national orthodox churches, for example Serbian Orthodox Church, the
tricolor flag with or without the St. Sava cross is commonly displayed.
Ivan Sarajcic, 25 June 2003
In churches in Spain we have no flag, either Spanish or Catalan or Basque, as
far as I know. In Montserrat, perhaps the most sacred land in Catalonia, Catalan
flags are seen everywhere outside the church, but never inside. I remember it
shocked me quite a lot to see these signs of temporal power in a holy place in
Jaume de Marcos, 6 February 2003
It's worth noting, of course, that Britain and other Commonwealth countries
have a long history of laying up military colors and standards in their
churches. Since colors tend to be thought of as living things, this is sort of
like giving them a church burial.
Joe McMillan, 18 January 2002
An observer in Spain reported "I remember it shocked me quite a lot to see these signs of temporal power in a holy place in Britain."
I think there's something in this statement that may explain the American
comfort level with the national flag in churches better than the Canadian
correspondent's "civic religion" theory. For most Americans, the stars and
stripes is not a sign of temporal power, i.e., an expression of the authority of
the federal government. This is something I've thought quite a lot about since
joining FOTW but I'm still not sure I've sorted it out, so bear with me.
As I see it, the display of a national flag can be intended to convey several distinct messages. The same display may express more than one of these messages. However, different countries tend to emphasize these messages in different ways, sometimes emphasizing one interpretation to the exclusion of others:
"Surprisingly to many, there are no regulations of any kind governing the display of flags in Roman Catholic Churches. Neither the Code of Canon law, nor the liturgical books of the Roman rite comment on this practice. As a result, the question of whether and how to display the American flag in a Catholic Church is left up to the judgment of the diocesan bishop, who in turn often delegates this to the discretion of the pastor.
The origin of the display of the American flag in many parishes in the United States appears [to] have its origins in the offering of prayers for those who served during the Second World War (1941-1945). At that time, many bishops and pastors provided a book of remembrance near the American flag, requesting prayers for loved ones -- especially those serving their country in the armed forces -- as a way of keeping before the attention of the faithful the needs of military families. This practice has since been confirmed in many places during the Korean, Viet Nam and Iraqi conflicts.
The Bishops´ Committee on the Liturgy has in the past encouraged pastors not
to place the flag within the sanctuary (see note) itself, in order to reserve that space
for the altar, the ambo, the presidential chair and the tabernacle. Instead, the
suggestion has been made that the American flag be placed outside the sanctuary,
or in the vestibule of the Church together with a book of prayer requests. It
remains, however, for the diocesan bishop to determine regulations in this
located by Ned Smith, 23 June 2003
The practice of putting US flags in Roman Catholic Churches can be traced the
American Civil War. It seems that they followed the lead of the Episcopalians in
New York. Since then it has become an off and on practice. In the extreme I have
seen churches with the US and state flags as well as the Diocesan and parish
flags. There is no written church policy, it is left to individual pastors. The
trend is to remove them from about the altar. There is no connection to a Papal
visit. The possibility of a Papal visit is signified by an umbrelino granted to
Jim Ferrigan, 24 June 2003
In looking over a Google collection of commentary on this issue in the US, I found one Methodist making the argument that the stars and stripes should be displayed in the church as a reminder that the protections provided by the US Constitution are what enable Methodists (and others) to worship as they please. (This is against what seems to be the position of most Methodist clergy and leaders who have written on the subject, who maintain that display of the flag inappropriately renders unto Caesar the things that are God's.)
This may sound strange if not irritating to non-Americans, who will rightly observe that it is not only in the United States that the right to freedom of religion is respected. But to many Americans-- and especially to American Protestants--this sounds perfectly correct. Americans learn from an early age that one of the main reasons that our ancestors came to this country was to find freedom of religion. I am fully aware that this is historically a gross oversimplification. Whether it is true or not, however, scarcely affects how this "fact" affects the way Americans look at these issues. Americans are traditionally brought up on stories of religious persecution in 17th century Europe and taught to value the progressive development of full religious freedom in the colonial period (with tolerance in Pennsylvania, Maryland, South Carolina, and Rhode Island contrasted favorably with governmental enforcement of established religions in places like Massachusetts and Virginia. This process is seen as culminating in the adoption of the Bill of Rights in connection with the ratification of the Constitution, the very first clause of that Bill of Rights reading, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
This gets back to something that occurred to me as I read Jorge's last post
on this subject. Because the Bill of Rights essentially settled the fundamental
question of church-state relations in the US over 200 years ago, it seems to me
that Americans are much less sensitive to the potentially negative symbolism
conveyed by the presence of the national flag in a church. If our religious life
had been dominated for much of our history by a single established church that
enjoyed special privileges from the government and that limited the ability of
other religions to worship as they chose, I imagine we would be more alert to
the implication that the presence of a flag in church signifies governmental
endorsement of the religious proceedings and teachings being propagated there.
Joe McMillan, 26 June 2003
Anglican (actually, Episcopalian) churches in the US fly the
Episcopalian flag, which is English-influenced, at
least. I've never seen the US flag beside, but that's not to say it isn't done.
Nathan Lamm,18 January 2002
In Catholic usage, the sanctuary is the area immediately surrounding the
altar, not, as in many Protestant denominations in the United States, the entire
worship area of the church.
JoeMcMillan, 24 June 2003
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